August 10th, 2009, 10:23 AM. Ivory hunter received unlimited ivory concessions and the ivory industry was on the way to its peak. 2017 18:07, Message J'avais pas eu écho que le 416 avait autant de pénétration . 416 Rigby; 416 Ruger; 45-70 Government; 458 Lott; 458 Winchester Magnum; 470 Nitro Express; 577 Nitro Express; Pistol. 38 Long Colt; 38 Special Cowboy; Cowboy 357. 5 juil. Is the .458 Lott superior as a dangerous game cartridge over the .416 Rigby, or is the .416 Rigby more than enough for Elephants, Rhinos & Cape Buffalo? For starters the only way you get high velocity with that 45/70 is with hardcast bullets. In 1956, Winchester saw an opportunity. Keith and Jeffe with the 470, 458 and 416 AR rounds - First outing All images are thumbnails. Forum dédié à la passion de la chasse du grand gibier. Joined Jan 21, 2008 Messages 5,652 Location … 5,5 mm 5,6 x 52 R 500 Jeffery 500 N.E. 2 juil. Cowboy 32. Gibbs 6 XC 6,5 - 284 Norma 6,5 Carcano 6,5 Creedmoor 6,5 Jap. A .416 Rigby flanked by a .375 H&H and a .458 Lott.416 Rigby Loads. 416 Rigby 416 Taylor 450 Rigby 458 Lott 458 Win. They possess neither the shocking quantities of elephant-stomping energy nor the clavicle-shattering recoil of cartridges such as the .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro Express, and .458 Lott. The .416 Rigby. The Lott’s muzzle velocities are achieved at mild rather than high pressures, an important factor for the travelling hunter who is likely to encounter high changes in climatic conditions. Re: 416 Rigby VS 458 Lott Message par jeanmomo » jeu. 458 LOTT; 460 Weatherby magnum; 470 Nitro express; 303 British; 8x57 JS; Comparer ces produits. 2 juil. A Mauser rifle chambered for .458 Winchester Magnum being fired into a bundle of old phone books 18 inches thick. I'm still learning about these rifles so this was helpfull. par ludovic375 » jeu. 2017 22:29, Message ça c'est quelque chose d’intéressant . 5 juil. The additional capacity of the Lott makes using these bullets, which give phenomenal penetration, much easier. 5 juil. Mag. par jeanmomo » jeu. 2017 17:31, Message Le 375 permet de tout tirer y compris l'éléphant. Harley Quinn. The .450 Nitro Express was deemed to be the perfect cartridge for the dangerous game of Africa and India. J'ai trouvé cela assez agréable (avec le 470 Capstick), J'ai pu enchainer sans soucis plusieurs tirs. It is based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum blown out and shortened to 2.800 inches (71.1 mm). 470 N.E. Funny how it came full circle. That wasn’t always the case though. 3"1/4 505 Mag. 2017 19:32, Message Nor do they offer extreme versatility like the somewhat-flat-shooting .375s. 2017 21:55, Message par Python » dim. Afficher. 209,00 € Prix public conseillé : 238,00 € Cartouche à balle Norma 416 Rigby Barnes solid . Le logiciel GesChasse, votre carnet de chasse informatique pour PC, ↳   Téléchargement des différentes versions de GesChasse, ↳   Aide en ligne à l'utilisation de GesChasse, ↳   Statistiques Grand-Gibier.eu GesChasse, ↳   La vénerie (rubrique réservée aux membres inscrits), ↳   Connaissance, gestion de la grande faune lointaine, ↳   Chasse du grand gibier sur les autres continents, Les indispensables de la chasse au grand gibier, ↳   Les diverses organisations cynégétiques. C'est vrai que c'est plein de bon sens , plus un diamètre est petit mieux il pénètre . J E CUSTOM . 6 juil. La preuve irréfutable qu'il existe de l'intelligence sur les autres planètes, c'est qu'ils n'ont JAMAIS cherché à entrer en contact avec nous. Liste Grille. mais le 416 Rigby avec une bête parfaitement de profil oui !
With hindsight, I firmly believe that Though it’s a relative newcomer on the scene, approaching its 30E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs Absolutely, Swift A-Frame. Message Larger volume cases such as the .460 Weatherby Magnum do not do well with powder charges below the recommended minimums. For many years, the British company Kynoch was the only producer of .416 Rigby ammunition. Message The 458 Lott was designed by the famous Jack Lott with the intension of creating an improved version of 458 Winchester. The cartridge is designed for the purpose of hunting African dangerous game. 2017 14:09, Message par chacal » dim. par jeanmomo » lun. 2017 20:08, Message par Python » dim. 2017 16:24, Message That wasn’t always the case though. Left -416 AR on Ruger 77 - Right 458 AR on VZ-24: 458 AR with 500gr Hornady 3.35" oal : Fire-formed 416 AR -RUM brass - 458 AR: 416 AR untrimmed, RUM - Final 458 AR: 06-18-06 update. 458 lott vs 416 rigby.458 Lott is probably not needed for lion, but is dang comforting for elephant or buffalo. 2017 14:59, Utilisateurs parcourant ce forum : Aucun utilisateur enregistré et 5 invités. 2017 10:32, Message Several manufacturers, such as Barnes, Federal, Hornady, Norma, Nosler, and Swift, produce factory loaded .416 Rigby ammunition. Greyfox Well-Known Member. Shooting solids at plains game is not at all prudent. par jeanmomo » mer. par Philippe » lun. 6 juil. 32 H&R; Cowboy 38. Sure they blow right through and make two holes but it would be tlike shooting target arrows at big game rather then broadheads. par ROUAN » mer. The 458 Lott 500 grain loads can produce 58 to 5900 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. I got interested in this topic after reading an artical in December's Guns & Ammo about Ruger & Hornady bringing out a M77 MKII mag in .458 Lott. In that time the era of black powder run out and the new era of smokeless propellant (cordite) had just started. I had read a bit about guys hunting in Africa with .45-70 & 416 Rigby. 2017 17:09, Message The .458 Lott, legitimized as a factory proposition by Ruger and Hornady, is a task-specific cartridge made for the business of taking on the world’s biggest—and most dangerous—game. After World War Two, Americans flocked to Africa to hunt, but the only suitable dangerous game rifles were either special, magnum length bolt-actions chambered for cartridges such as the .416 Rigby or expensive double rifles which fired hard to come by Nitro Express rounds. 3 juil. 2017 10:53, Message 2017 22:32, Message The cartridge is based on the.416 Rigby necked up to accept a.458 in (11.6 mm) bullet and is intended for use in magazine rifles. la balle de 450 gr 690 ms ,supérieur au 416 avec 20% de surface en plus -le 458 lott balle de 400 gr 775 ms celle de 450 gr 730 ms celle de 500 gr 680 ms la le 416 rigby est bien léger face au 458 lott, ou watts ou ackley rigby ou dakota y a du monde au balcon , pour finir le 460 wthy aux performances époustouflantes. The lethal capabilities of the 458 lott and the 416 are so far superior to the 45/70 they cannot be compared. My buddy and I firing his new CZ 550 .458 Lott (Fewer haters version) par ROUAN » mer. 6 juil. 2017 12:58, Message The cartridge should not be confused with.450 Nitro Express which was introduced by Rigby in 1898 and is a rimmed cartridge intended for use in double rifles. He survived to tell the tale, but brooded on the fact that he needed to build a better mouse trap. John Rigby & Co. released their proprietary big game cartridge in 1911, and it gained much favor among those who used it extensively. Pour la polyvalence le 416, pour le tir dans les pieds le 458 fait l'affaire Lott ou WM. Si la balle touche des zones dures, quelqu'un d'expérimenté a t-il constaté, une vrai différence entre les calibres au moment de l'impacte ? The .416 Rigby was developed and introduced by John Rigby in 1911. 3'' 500/416 N.E. Therefore, it was not surprisingly that the .416 Rigby became a big success. 6 juil. 2 juil. .458 Lott vs .458 Win Mag Rifles. 2 juil. par ROUAN » dim. … I’ve spent a considerable amount of time When handloading for the .458 Lott, I can easily obtain velocities in the 2200 to 2250 fps range—a bit below factory loads, yet completely effective in the field. Pour l'éléphant il y a deux écoles, l'européenne, à 10m dans la tête, l'américaine à 100m dans le coeur et après on fume une clope en attendant que ça tombe. 2017 10:44, Utilisateurs parcourant ce forum : Aucun utilisateur enregistré et 5 invités. Once upon a time, the firm of John Rigby & Co. developed a 3 ¼″ cartridge, designed to launch a 480-grain bullet of .458″ diameter to a muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, and the hunting community was happy. Maintenant, si je reformule ma question. 2017 10:13, Message 458 lott vs 416 rigby. Le 416 fait ce que fait le 458 avec l'avantage de permettre des tirs plus lointains comme le 375, Forum dédié à la passion de la chasse du grand gibier, Le logiciel GesChasse, votre carnet de chasse informatique pour PC, ↳   Téléchargement des différentes versions de GesChasse, ↳   Aide en ligne à l'utilisation de GesChasse, ↳   Statistiques Grand-Gibier.eu GesChasse, ↳   La vénerie (rubrique réservée aux membres inscrits), ↳   Connaissance, gestion de la grande faune lointaine, ↳   Chasse du grand gibier sur les autres continents, Les indispensables de la chasse au grand gibier, ↳   Les diverses organisations cynégétiques, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WyqiUURkSc, http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve ... 2281097132. 2 juil. 5 juil. par ludovic375 » dim. 3 juil. The .450 Dakota is a potent .458 caliber cartridge based on the .416 Rigby case design. par Python » dim. One example is the 416 Weatherby, 400 grain loads will run 64 to 6500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy and at 2700 ft/sec velocity will shoot as flat as a 270 win. Les calibres "africains", dont les deux plus utilisés sont le 375 HH magnum et le 416 Rigby, exigent des carabines à verrou d'une haute qualité de conception et d'une grande rigueur de réalisation. The .458 Lott is a .458 caliber rifle cartridge designed for the purpose of hunting large, ... What the .458 Lott lacks in velocity and energy compared to the .450 Rigby or the .460 Weatherby Magnum, it more than makes up for by virtue of its versatility. 5 juil. 2 juil. 9MM; 380 Auto; 357 SIG; 38 Special; 357 Magnum; 40 S&W; 10mm; 41 Remington Magnum; 44 Special; 44 Magnum; 45 ACP; 45 Schofield; 45 Long Colt; 45 Long Colt +P ; 454 Casull; 460 S&W; Cowboy Action. 2017 12:59 C'est vrai que c'est plein de bon sens , plus un diamètre est petit mieux il pénètre . C'est plus pour diversifier et avoir une arme dispo au cas où mon express aurait un problème (on n'est jamais trop prudent). Dangerous Game: .416 Rigby vs .458 Lott? In the world of cartridges that can stop anything, the .416 Rigby, .416 Remington Magnum, and .416 Ruger occupy a middle ground. 5 juil. par pirsch » jeu. Certainly, it received a huge shot in the arm when Robert Ruark released “Horn of the Hunter” in 1953, immortalizing the cartridge in the hands of PH Harry Selby. par ROUAN » dim. All available cartridges in caliber 458 Lott by Norma Ammunition. The .458 Lott is a task-specific cartridge made for the business of taking on the world's biggest-and most dangerous-game. 2 juil. Publié le 29 août 2020. They are both good, if you go by history of them being used, the 416 has more history and was used quite a bit as a back up weapon by guides in … Trier par. par page . 2 juil. 6 juil. .458 Winchester Magnum. par pirsch » mer. par jeanmomo » jeu. … Ça pousse un peu au tir mais c'est maitrisable et je ne vois pas l'intérêt de mettre un frein de bouche pour mon épaule, enfin à ce jour elle n'a tué que du carton. The basic premise behind the 458 Lott cartridge was to drive a 510 grain bullet at 2150 fps from a 22 inch barrel at moderate muzzle pressure. Dans la brousse il n'y à jamais de problèmes. Je n'ai pas de Lott, mais j'ai tiré avec dans une carabine JP Ridon CZ 550 . La 416 Rby c'a pousse fort,faut mettre un frein de bouche,mais ont reste précis à 150m sans problèmes , Dans la brousse il n'y à jamais de problèmes, Briano pose de trés bon freins de bouche celui de ma 416 Rby, Il faut pas confondre avec l'époque des colonies ,il tirer l'éléphant avec des lebel ou m98, J'ai une Cz 550 magnum en .416 Rigby, bonne carabine mais lourde et longue. The .458 Lott is a .458 caliber belted hunting cartridge designed as a replacement for the less powerful .458 Winchester Magnum. par ROUAN » dim. 2017 17:37, Message 2017 19:37, Message The rifle situation is very similar to the ammunition situation with these cartridges: there are a handful of options for each cartridge and there is also quite a bit of overlap in the rifles available in each chambering. par pirsch » mer. I would probably recommend a 375 H&H or a 375 RUM for what you want. par jeanmomo » mer. 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